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==Adding Rank?== Below is a modified version of the templates, to incorporate the minimum rank. It's slightly taller, leaves room for shuttles (and eventually fighters) which are minimum rank, and makes it less cluttered. --[[User:MatthewM|MatthewM]] 12:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC) <div style="clear: both;"></div> {| class="wikitable componenttable" ! colspan=4 | <div style="float: left;"><span class="noprint plainlinks navbar" style="font-size: xx-small;">[[Template:Playable ship nav|v]] · [[{{TALKPAGENAME:Template:Playable ship nav}}|d]] · [{{fullurl:Template:Playable ship nav|action=edit}} e]</span></div><div class="cttitle">[[Playable starship|Playable Starships]]</div> |- ! colspan=4 style="background: #069 !important;" | [[File:Faction Federation.png|16px|link=United Federation of Planets]] [[Federation playable starship|Federation]] |- | style="background: #069 !important;" | '''[[Shuttle]]s''' || colspan=3| [[Type 8 Shuttlecraft|Type-8]] • [[Class F Shuttle|Class F]] • [[Danube Class Runabout]] • [[Delta Class Shuttle|Delta Class]] • [[Captain's Yacht]] • [[Tal'Kyr Support Craft|Tal'Kyr]] |- ! style="background: #069 !important;" | [[Rank]] !! style="background: #069 !important;" | [[Cruiser]]s !! style="background: #069 !important;" | [[Escort]]s !! style="background: #069 !important;" | [[Science Vessel]]s |- | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png|link=|]] || [[Light Cruiser|Light]] • [[TOS Constitution Class Cruiser|TOS Constitution]] || [[NX Class Light Escort|NX]] || [[Oberth Class Light Science Vessel|Oberth]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png|link=|]] || [[Cruiser (Federation)|Cruiser]] || [[Escort (Federation)|Escort]] || [[Science Vessel (Federation)|Science Vessel]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png|link=|]] || [[Heavy Cruiser|Heavy]] • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser|Advanced Heavy]] || [[Heavy Escort|Heavy]] || [[Research Science Vessel|Research]] • [[Advanced Research Vessel|Advanced Research]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png|link=|]] || [[Exploration Cruiser|Exploration]] || [[Tactical Escort|Tactical]] || [[Long Range Science Vessel|Long Range]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png|link=|]] || [[Star Cruiser|Star]] • [[Assault Cruiser|Assault]] • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit|Advanced Heavy Retrofit]] • [[Federation Dreadnought Cruiser|Dreadnought]] || [[Fleet Escort|Fleet]] • [[Advanced Escort|Advanced]] || [[Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Reconnaissance]] • [[Deep Space Science Vessel|Deep Space]] • [[Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit|Advanced Research Retrofit]] • [[D'Kyr Science Vessel|D'Kyr]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=|]] || [[Exploration Cruiser Retrofit|Exploration Retrofit]] || [[Tactical Escort Retrofit|Tactical Retrofit]] • [[Multi-Vector Advanced Escort|Multi-Vector Advanced]] || [[Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit|Long Range Retrofit]] |- ! colspan=4 style="background: #600 !important" | [[File:Faction Klingon.png|16px|link=Klingon Empire]] [[Klingon playable starship|Klingon Empire]] |- | style="background: #600 !important;" | '''[[Shuttle]]s''' || colspan=3| [[Toron Shuttle|Toron]] • [[DujHod Shuttle|DujHod]] |- ! style="background: #600 !important;" | [[Rank]] !! style="background: #600 !important;" | [[Klingon Bird-of-Prey|Birds-of-Prey]] !! style="background: #600 !important;" | [[Raptor]]s !! style="background: #600 !important;" | [[Klingon Heavy Warship|Heavy Warships]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_Lt.png|link=|]] || [[B'rel Bird-of-Prey|B'rel]] || || |- | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_LtCom.png|link=|]] || [[QulDun Bird-of-Prey|QulDun]] || [[Somraw Raptor|Somraw]] || [[K'Tanco Battle Cruiser|K'Tanco]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_Com.png|link=|]] || [[Norgh Bird-of-Prey|Norgh]] || [[Qorgh Raptor|Qorgh]] || [[K't'inga Battle Cruiser|K't'inga]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_Cap.png|link=|]] || [[Ki'tang Bird-of-Prey|Ki'tang]] || [[Pach Raptor|Pach]] || [[Vor'cha Battle Cruiser|Vor'cha]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_Gen1.png|link=|]] || [[Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey|Hegh'ta]] || [[Qin Heavy Raptor|Qin]] || [[Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser|Negh'Var]] • [[Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit|Vor'cha Retrofit]] • [[Vo'quv Carrier]] |- | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_Gen3.png|link=|]] || [[B'rel Bird-of-Prey Retrofit|B'rel Retrofit]] || [[Guramba Siege Destroyer]] || [[Kar'Fi Battle Carrier]] • [[Marauder Patrol Cruiser]] • [[Varanus Fleet Support Vessel]] |- |}<noinclude> :Looks good. (It's early. The bowl of McDonald's oatmeal in front of me looks good.) The shuttles are min rank also I believe though. --[[User:Drmike|Drmike]] 12:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :This does look good, but I'd rather split it by tier than by minimum rank. I tried to do this myself initially, but it just ended up with too much blank space. --[[User:Zutty|Zutty]] 13:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC) :: Considering tier follows rank 1:1 until Admiral/General, this may be more useful to players. Someone at level 41 may wonder why its not possible for them to fly a retrofit Intrepid, for example. It seems unlikely that they'll add a 6th tier anytime soon, but with the addition of two ranks later this year there may be more ships at say, Fleet Admiral, becoming a reality. Additionally, there may be some people who don't understand the ship tier structure but they are quite aware of what rank they are. --[[User:MatthewM|MatthewM]] 16:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC) I'm puzzled if the [[Marauder Patrol Cruiser]] shouldn't be placed in with the Battle Cruisers. Apart from its fighters at 25% health, it seems to fall in line with the other battle cruisers. Plus moving it, would allow the template to be change from a generic "Other" category to a Support category. [[User:Curmudgeony|Curmudgeony]] 18:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC) == Federation fith rank no icon == The federation fifth rank has no icon! -- ''The previous unsigned comment was made by'' [[User: 82.137.14.40]]. : Fifth rank? Do you mean a Fleet Admiral (5 pips) icon? --[[User:Markonian|Markonian]] 15:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC) :: Oh, crap. I forgot about this. This is an issue with the AdBlock extension for Firefox and the unfortunate choice of filename for that particular image. It's there; it's just getting blocked. I'll work on renaming it and getting all the links updated shortly. <font color="#999999">—</font> [[User:Eyes|<small>'''Eyes'''</small>]] [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 19:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC) == Preparation for Fleet and other Refit ships == Given that Season 6 is going to bring about a tonne of Fleet and Refit variants of existing ships, is it worth switching from the existing setup to the below (pretend the ranks are links to individual ship pages)? Ignore that a couple of ranks are wrong - this is just a mockup. Also, "Refit" and "Fleet" variants would have a colour difference: <div style="clear: both;"></div> {| class="wikitable componenttable" ! colspan=10 | [[File:Faction Federation.png|16px|link=United Federation of Planets]] [[Federation playable starship|Federation Starships]] |- | colspan=10 | <center>[[Small Craft]]</center> |- | colspan=10 | [[Type-8 Shuttlecraft|Type-8]] • [[Type-10 Shuttlecraft|Type-10]] • [[Class F Shuttle|Class F]] • [[Danube Class Runabout|Danube Class]] • [[Yellowstone Class Runabout|Yellowstone Class]] • [[Delta Class Shuttle|Delta Class]] • [[Captain's Yacht]] • [[Tal'Kyr Support Craft|Tal'Kyr]] • [[Peregrine Attack Fighter|Peregrine Fighter]] • [[Stalker Stealth Fighter|Stalker Fighter]] |- valign="top" | width="10%" |<center>Light Cruiser ; ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> |<center>TOS Constitution ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Heavy Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Adv. Heavy Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Exploration Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Star Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Assault Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Dreadnought Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]]</center> | width="10%" |<center>Odyssey Cruiser ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]]</center> |- valign="top" |<center>Light Escort ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> |<center>Escort ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> |<center>Heavy Escort ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png||]]</center> |<center>Tactical Escort ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]]</center> |<center>Patrol Escort ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> |<center>Advanced Escort ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]]</center> | | | | |- valign="top" |<center>Light Science ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> |<center>Science Vessel ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> |<center>Research ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png||]]</center> |<center>Adv. Research ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png||]]</center> |<center>Long Range Science ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]] ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> |<center>Recon Science ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png||]]</center> |<center>Deep Space Science ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> |<center>D'Kyr Science ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png||]]</center> | | |- valign="top" |<center>Escort Carrier ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png||]]</center> |<center>Atrox Carrier ;[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png||]]</center> | | | | | | | | |- |}<noinclude> --[[User:Walshicus|Walshicus]] 19:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC) :I'm not a fan of the aesthetics. I'd need to see just how crowded things get with the Season 6 ships though. --[[User:MatthewM|MatthewM]] 21:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC) == Suggestion for Federation section == The Fed section is woefully cramped, and while editing it I figured, perhaps this is a solution, since the main thing people look up are tier 5 vessels: {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" ! colspan=5 | <small><div style="float: left;"><span class="noprint plainlinks navbar">[[Template:Playable ship nav|v]] · [[{{TALKPAGENAME:Template:Playable ship nav}}|d]] · [{{fullurl:Template:Playable ship nav|action=edit}} e]</span></div></small><div class="cttitle" style="background: #222222;">[[Playable starship|Playable Starships]]</div> |- ! colspan=5 style="background: #069 " | [[File:Faction Federation.png|16px|link=United Federation of Planets]] Federation: [[Federation playable starship|(Complete & Detailed List)]] |- | style="background: #069 font-size:0.8em;" | <div style="white-space:nowrap; text-align: center;">'''[[Small Craft]]'''</div> | colspan=4| <div style="text-align: center;">[[Type-8 Shuttlecraft|Type-8]] • [[Type-10 Shuttlecraft|Type-10]] • [[Class F Shuttle|Class F]] • [[Danube Class Runabout|Danube]] • [[Yellowstone Class Runabout|Yellowstone]] • [[Delta Class Shuttle|Delta]] • [[Captain's Yacht]] • [[Tal'Kyr Support Craft|Tal'Kyr]] • [[Peregrine Attack Fighter|Peregrine]] • [[Stalker Stealth Fighter]] • [[Aeon Timeship]]</div> |- ! style="background: #069 " width=7% rowspan="2" | [[Rank]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | <small>''Tiers 1-4''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="3" | <small>''Tier 5''</small> |- ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png|link=Lieutenant|]] {{!}} [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png|link=Commander|]]<hr>[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png|link=Lieutenant Commander|]] {{!}} [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png|link=Captain|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png|link=Rear Admiral|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>'''[[Fleet]]''' |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Cruiser]]s | • [[Light Cruiser]]<br> • [[TOS Constitution Class Cruiser|TOS Cruiser]]<hr>• [[Cruiser (Federation)|Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Cruiser Refit|Refit]]''<hr>• [[Heavy Cruiser]]<br> • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser]]<br> • [[Support Cruiser]]<hr>• [[Exploration Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Exploration Cruiser Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Assault Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Star Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Star Cruiser|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Support Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]] | • Odyssey Star Cruiser:<br> - [[Odyssey Operations Cruiser|''Operations'']]<br> - [[Odyssey Science Cruiser|''Science'']]<br> - [[Odyssey Tactical Cruiser|''Tactical'']]<br>• [[Exploration Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Assault Cruiser Refit]] | • [[Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Star Cruiser]]<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit]]<br>• [[Odyssey Star Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Battle Cruisers | | | • [[Avenger Battle Cruiser]] | • [[Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Dreadnought Cruisers | | | • [[Dreadnought Cruiser]] | • [[Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Escort]]s | • [[NX Class Light Escort|Light Escort]]<br> • [[Blockade Runner Escort]]<br> • [[Andorian Light Escort]]<hr>• [[Escort (Federation)|Escort]]<br> - ''[[Escort Refit|Refit]]''<hr>• [[Heavy Escort]]<br> - ''[[Heavy Escort Refit|Refit]]''<hr>• [[Tactical Escort]]<br> - ''[[Tactical Escort Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Advanced Escort]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Advanced Escort|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Patrol Escort]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Patrol Escort|Mirror]]'' | • Andorian Escort:<br> - [[Andorian Kumari Escort|''Kumari'']]<br> - [[Andorian Charal Escort|''Charal'']]<br> - [[Andorian Khyzon Escort|''Khyzon'']]<br>• [[Tactical Escort Retrofit]]<br> • [[Multi-Vector Advanced Escort]]<br> • [[Heavy Escort Carrier]]<br> • [[Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit]] | • [[Fleet Patrol Escort]]<br>• [[Escort Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Escort Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Escort]]<br>• [[Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Destroyers | | • [[Mobius Temporal Destroyer]] | • [[Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] | • [[Aquarius Destroyer]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Aquarius Destroyer|Fleet]]''<br> • [[Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Science Vessel|Science Vessel]]s | • [[Oberth Class Light Science Vessel|Light Science Vessel]]<hr>• [[Science Vessel (Federation)|Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Science Vessel Refit|Refit]]''<hr>• [[Research Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Advanced Research Vessel]]<hr>• [[Long Range Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Long Range Science Vessel Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Deep Space Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Deep Space Science Vessel|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Reconnaissance Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit]]<br> • [[D'Kyr Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Wells Temporal Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Solanae Dyson Science Destroyer]] | • Multi-Mission Explorer:<br> - [[Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer|''Strategic'']]<br> - [[Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer|''Surveillance'']]<br> - [[Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer|''Reconnaissance'']]<br>• [[Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br>• Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer:<br> - [[Dyson Reconnaissance Science Destroyer|''Reconnaissance'']]<br> - [[Dyson Strategic Science Destroyer|''Strategic'']]<br> - [[Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer|''Surveillance'']] | • [[Research Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel|Fleet Deep Space]]<br>• [[Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Fleet Reconnaissance]]<br>• [[Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | [[Carrier]]s | | | • [[Caitian Atrox Carrier]] | • [[Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier]] |} It allows the longer names with much less cramping. What do y'all think? [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 05:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC) :looking better than before. But my opinion is, that the Fed section should be changed back to it's former top-bottom state (infinity space) instead following the left-right (cutting of ship descriptions, looking cramped). :Or make 2 charts, one for T1-4 (Beginner ships), and one for T5, Fleet and Shuttles. Personally, I don't like to have T1-4 pressed in one column. Looks very cramped and new players would sure have problems with it. :What I really love is the further addition of ship classifications. [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 13:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ::Something like this? {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" ! colspan=5 | <small><div style="float: left;"><span class="noprint plainlinks navbar">[[Template:Playable ship nav|v]] · [[{{TALKPAGENAME:Template:Playable ship nav}}|d]] · [{{fullurl:Template:Playable ship nav|action=edit}} e]</span></div></small><div class="cttitle" style="background: #222222;">[[Playable starship|Playable Starships]]</div> |- ! colspan=5 style="background: #069 " | [[File:Faction Federation.png|16px|link=United Federation of Planets]] Federation: [[Federation playable starship|(Complete & Detailed List)]] |- | style="background: #069 font-size:0.8em;" | <div style="white-space:nowrap; text-align: center;">'''[[Small Craft]]'''</div> | colspan=4| <div style="text-align: center;">[[Type-8 Shuttlecraft|Type-8]] • [[Type-10 Shuttlecraft|Type-10]] • [[Class F Shuttle|Class F]] • [[Danube Class Runabout|Danube]] • [[Yellowstone Class Runabout|Yellowstone]] • [[Delta Class Shuttle|Delta]] • [[Captain's Yacht]] • [[Tal'Kyr Support Craft|Tal'Kyr]] • [[Peregrine Attack Fighter|Peregrine]] • [[Stalker Stealth Fighter]] • [[Aeon Timeship]]</div> |- ! style="background: #069 " width=7% rowspan="2" | [[Rank]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2" | <small>''Tier 1''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | <small>''Tier 2''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | <small>''Tier 3''</small> |- ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2" | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png|link=Lieutenant|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png|link=Lieutenant Commander|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png|link=Commander|]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Cruiser]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Light Cruiser]]<br> • [[TOS Constitution Class Cruiser]] | • [[Cruiser (Federation)|Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Cruiser Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Heavy Cruiser]]<br> • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser]]<br> • [[Support Cruiser]]<hr> |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Escort]]s | colspan="2" | • [[NX Class Light Escort|Light Escort]]<br> • [[Blockade Runner Escort]]<br> • [[Andorian Light Escort]] | • [[Escort (Federation)|Escort]]<br> - ''[[Escort Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Heavy Escort]]<br> - ''[[Heavy Escort Refit|Refit]]''<hr> |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Science Vessel|Science Vessel]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Oberth Class Light Science Vessel]] | • [[Science Vessel (Federation)|Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Science Vessel Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Research Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Advanced Research Vessel]] |- ! style="background: #069 " width="7%" rowspan="2" | [[Rank]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | <small>''Tier 4''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="3" | <small>''Tier 5''</small> |- ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png|link=Captain|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png|link=Rear Admiral|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>'''[[Fleet]]''' |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Cruiser]]s | • [[Exploration Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Exploration Cruiser Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Assault Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Star Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Star Cruiser|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Support Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]] | • Odyssey Star Cruiser:<br> - [[Odyssey Operations Cruiser|''Operations'']]<br> - [[Odyssey Science Cruiser|''Science'']]<br> - [[Odyssey Tactical Cruiser|''Tactical'']]<br>• [[Exploration Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Assault Cruiser Refit]] | • [[Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Star Cruiser]]<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit]]<br>• [[Odyssey Star Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Battle Cruisers | | | • [[Avenger Battle Cruiser]] | • [[Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Dreadnought Cruisers | | | • [[Dreadnought Cruiser]] | • [[Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Escort]]s | • [[Tactical Escort]]<br> - ''[[Tactical Escort Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Advanced Escort]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Advanced Escort|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Patrol Escort]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Patrol Escort|Mirror]]'' | • Andorian Escort:<br> - [[Andorian Kumari Escort|''Kumari'']]<br> - [[Andorian Charal Escort|''Charal'']]<br> - [[Andorian Khyzon Escort|''Khyzon'']]<br>• [[Tactical Escort Retrofit]]<br> • [[Multi-Vector Advanced Escort]]<br> • [[Heavy Escort Carrier]]<br> • [[Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit]] | • [[Fleet Patrol Escort]]<br>• [[Escort Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Escort Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Escort]]<br>• [[Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Destroyers | | • [[Mobius Temporal Destroyer]] | • [[Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] | • [[Aquarius Destroyer]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Aquarius Destroyer|Fleet]]''<br> • [[Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Science Vessel|Science Vessel]]s | • [[Long Range Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Long Range Science Vessel Refit|Refit]]'' | • [[Deep Space Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Deep Space Science Vessel|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Reconnaissance Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit]]<br> • [[D'Kyr Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Wells Temporal Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Solanae Dyson Science Destroyer]] | • Multi-Mission Explorer:<br> - [[Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer|''Strategic'']]<br> - [[Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer|''Surveillance'']]<br> - [[Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer|''Reconnaissance'']]<br>• [[Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br>• Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer:<br> - [[Dyson Reconnaissance Science Destroyer|''Reconnaissance'']]<br> - [[Dyson Strategic Science Destroyer|''Strategic'']]<br> - [[Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer|''Surveillance'']] | • [[Research Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel|Fleet Deep Space]]<br>• [[Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Fleet Reconnaissance]]<br>• [[Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | [[Carrier]]s | | | • [[Caitian Atrox Carrier]] | • [[Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier]] |} [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 16:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC) hm. both have their pros and cons. i like version 1 for leaving all ships of the same category in a line (like you can see: ok. i play cruisers, and its this one, then this one, and finally this one) but version 2 looks way cleaner. though it would need a divider bewteen the tables for a better overview. --[[User:Iye007|Iye007]] ([[User talk:Iye007|talk]]) 16:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ":" witchcraft dear Sir ;-) i am amazed about how you guys handle this page. I only see numbers, words and symbols all around me. The second version with 2 charts looks very good. Is there a way to describ them as Starter/Beginner and Endgame ships? Anyway, I live this version now, looks very clean and not so overflown and cramped like the former one (I know you guys always do your best, I admire your work). and version 2 allows also a pretty much uncomplicated expansion when new ships are beeing added to the game. Now I have a really stupid suggestion, and I think it would be too much of a gimmick to do: adding a small icon of an iconic ship to each Tier and ship class. ( I better shut up now) [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 17:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ":" something else crossed my mind. Maybe it would be better to have Tier 1-4 in one chart, and T5 and Fleet in the second. We all know that Cryptic focusses more on Endgame ships than on Starter ships. So the second chart would be better prepared for additions and the beginner chart would look well filled up. How about Tier descriptioning next/under the Rank Pins? Lieutenant, lt. Commander... Thanks for listening to my weird thoughts [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 17:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC) '':'' Agree on the t1-t4 chart. the last OP one would only come handy if t4 destroyers would be added in the near future. Also i noticed that something like an icon suggestion whether a ship is free (call it no zen) or a Zen ship. I think we dont need a tier description (rank), since you got that on mouseover on the pins :) --[[User:Iye007|Iye007]] ([[User talk:Iye007|talk]]) 18:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ":" mouseover? Another witchcraft here I just found out about ;-) Yes I think T4 on the first chart would add balance and style to both charts. The beginners would stay together as a small group, and the Endgamers do have plenty of space for additions and full class descriptions [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 18:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC) <br><br><br> Ok. i improved [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]]'s version, (made it t1-4/t5) {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" ! colspan=8 | <small><div style="float: left;"><span class="noprint plainlinks navbar">[[Template:Playable ship nav|v]] · [[{{TALKPAGENAME:Template:Playable ship nav}}|d]] · [{{fullurl:Template:Playable ship nav|action=edit}} e]</span></div></small><div class="cttitle" style="background: #222222;">[[Playable starship|Playable Starships]]</div> |- ! colspan=8 style="background: #069 " | [[File:Faction Federation.png|16px|link=United Federation of Planets]] Federation: [[Federation playable starship|(Complete & Detailed List)]] |- | rowspan=1 style="background: #069 font-size:0.8em;" | <div style="white-space:nowrap; text-align: center;"><br>'''[[Small Craft]]'''<br> </div> | colspan=7 rowspan=1| <div style="text-align: center;">[[Type-8 Shuttlecraft|Type-8]] • [[Type-10 Shuttlecraft|Type-10]] • [[Class F Shuttle|Class F]] • [[Danube Class Runabout|Danube]] • [[Yellowstone Class Runabout|Yellowstone]] • [[Delta Class Shuttle|Delta]] • [[Captain's Yacht]] • [[Tal'Kyr Support Craft|Tal'Kyr]] • [[Peregrine Attack Fighter|Peregrine]] • [[Stalker Stealth Fighter]] • [[Aeon Timeship]]</div> |- ! colspan=7 style="background: #069 " | ''Early Gme'' - Tiers 1 - 4 (lvl 1 - 39 & Fleet) |- |- ! style="background: #069 " width=7% rowspan="2" | [[Rank]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan=2| <small>''Tier 1''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | <small>''Tier 2''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2"| <small>''Tier 3''</small> ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2"| <small>''Tier 4''</small> |- ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2" | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Lt.png|link=Lieutenant|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LtCom.png|link=Lieutenant Commander|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2"| [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Com.png|link=Commander|]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="2"| [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_Cap.png|link=Captain|]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Cruiser]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Light Cruiser]]<br> • [[TOS Constitution Class Cruiser]] | • [[Cruiser (Federation)|Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Cruiser Refit|Refit]]'' | colspan="2"|• [[Heavy Cruiser]]<br> • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser]]<br> • [[Support Cruiser]]<hr> | colspan="2"|• [[Exploration Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Exploration Cruiser Refit|Refit]]'' |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Escort]]s | colspan="2" | • [[NX Class Light Escort|Light Escort]]<br> • [[Blockade Runner Escort]]<br> • [[Andorian Light Escort]] | • [[Escort (Federation)|Escort]]<br> - ''[[Escort Refit|Refit]]'' | colspan="2"|• [[Heavy Escort]]<br> - ''[[Heavy Escort Refit|Refit]]''<hr> | colspan="2"|• [[Tactical Escort]]<br> - ''[[Tactical Escort Refit|Refit]]'' |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Science Vessel|Science Vessel]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Oberth Class Light Science Vessel]] | • [[Science Vessel (Federation)|Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Science Vessel Refit|Refit]]'' | colspan="2"|• [[Research Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Advanced Research Vessel]] | colspan="2"|• [[Long Range Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Long Range Science Vessel Refit|Refit]]'' |- ! colspan=8 style="background: #069 " | ''End Game'' - Tier 5 (lvl 40-50 & Fleet) |- ! style="background: #069 " width="7%" rowspan="2" | [[Rank]] ! style="text-align: center; background: #069 " colspan="7" | <small>''Tier 5''</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png|link=Rear Admiral|]] ! colspan="2" style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]] ! colspan="2" style="text-align: center; background: #069 " | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>'''[[Fleet]]''' |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Cruiser]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Assault Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Star Cruiser]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Star Cruiser|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Support Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]] | colspan="2" | • Odyssey Star Cruiser:<br> - [[Odyssey Operations Cruiser|''Operations'']]<br> - [[Odyssey Science Cruiser|''Science'']]<br> - [[Odyssey Tactical Cruiser|''Tactical'']]<br>• [[Exploration Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> • [[Assault Cruiser Refit]] | colspan="2" | • [[Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Star Cruiser]]<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit]]<br>• [[Odyssey Star Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Battle Cruisers | colspan="2" | | colspan="2" | • [[Avenger Battle Cruiser]] | colspan="2" | • [[Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Dreadnought Cruisers | colspan="2" | | colspan="2" | • [[Dreadnought Cruiser]] | colspan="2" | • [[Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Escort]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Advanced Escort]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Advanced Escort|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Patrol Escort]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Patrol Escort|Mirror]]'' | colspan="2" | • Andorian Escort:<br> - [[Andorian Kumari Escort|''Kumari'']]<br> - [[Andorian Charal Escort|''Charal'']]<br> - [[Andorian Khyzon Escort|''Khyzon'']]<br>• [[Tactical Escort Retrofit]]<br> • [[Multi-Vector Advanced Escort]]<br> • [[Heavy Escort Carrier]]<br> • [[Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit]] | colspan="2" | • [[Fleet Patrol Escort]]<br>• [[Escort Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Escort Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Escort]]<br>• [[Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | Destroyers | colspan="2" | • [[Mobius Temporal Destroyer]] | colspan="2" | • [[Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] | colspan="2" | • [[Aquarius Destroyer]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Aquarius Destroyer|Fleet]]''<br> • [[Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] |- ! style="background: #069 " | [[Science Vessel|Science Vessel]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Deep Space Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Deep Space Science Vessel|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Reconnaissance Science Vessel]]<br> - ''[[Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Mirror]]''<br> • [[Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit]]<br> • [[D'Kyr Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Wells Temporal Science Vessel]]<br> • [[Solanae Dyson Science Destroyer]] | colspan="2" | • Multi-Mission Explorer:<br> - [[Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer|''Strategic'']]<br> - [[Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer|''Surveillance'']]<br> - [[Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer|''Reconnaissance'']]<br>• [[Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br>• Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer:<br> - [[Dyson Reconnaissance Science Destroyer|''Reconnaissance'']]<br> - [[Dyson Strategic Science Destroyer|''Strategic'']]<br> - [[Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer|''Surveillance'']] | colspan="2" | • [[Research Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel|Fleet Deep Space]]<br>• [[Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel|Fleet Reconnaissance]]<br>• [[Science Vessel Retrofit]]<br> - ''[[Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit|Fleet]]''<br>• [[Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit]]<br>• [[Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit]] |- ! style="background: #079 " | <br>[[Carrier]]s<br> | colspan="2" | <br> <br> | colspan="2" | <br>• [[Caitian Atrox Carrier]]<br> | colspan="2" | <br>• [[Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier]]<br> |} --[[User:Iye007|Iye007]] ([[User talk:Iye007|talk]]) 21:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ":" looks wonderfull, really. gives space for additions. Was very kind of you to use my suggestions. And sorry if my editing is not correct, I have never done this. [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 22:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC) :Looks good to me. As to Organichalcyon suggestion of adding icons, I would advise against that; it's best not to add any unnecessary images to very high visibility templates, just to save on site bandwidth. And, an icon as to whether the ship costs Zen or not might be frowned upon :P My only other suggestion, if the small craft section is going to be taller as in the table above, that we also split them into classes, like so: {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" |- | rowspan=3 style="background: #069 font-size:0.8em;" | <div style="white-space:nowrap; text-align: center;"><br>'''[[Small Craft]]'''<br> </div> ! Shuttles | [[Type-8 Shuttlecraft|Type-8]] • [[Type-10 Shuttlecraft|Type-10]] • [[Class F Shuttle|Class F]] • [[Delta Class Shuttle|Delta]] • [[Tal'Kyr Support Craft]] • [[Aeon Timeship]] |- ! Corvettes | [[Danube Class Runabout]] • [[Yellowstone Class Runabout]] • [[Captain's Yacht]] |- ! Fighters | [[Peregrine Attack Fighter]] • [[Stalker Stealth Fighter]] |} But that's a minor suggestion. Only other question is, should we do the same for the KDF and RRF sections? If so, I'll take care of it [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 22:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC) Yes, DanPMK is right. To much is to much. What I initially thought of was, to show players an iconic ship like Enterprise D, Defiant, Voyager in their respective ship row. Enterprise D for cruisers, Defiant for Escorts, Voyager for Science. But like you said, it would be to much. The suggestet Shuttlecraft section looks very good to me. Would this page work to, if the Hangar Pets would be included from their page to over here? Basically, they are also playable to us, in meaning of giving them basic commands. Just a question, my 2 Cents. [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 22:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC) :So no Zen icon... Still i guess that some people are like: wow. many ships, much cool stuff - and then realize that like 60% of the ships are 10€ (germany here... :)) up. i like the dividing for the shuttles, but i wouldn't want hangar pets in it, since they aren't ''playable''. Also i think there already is a own nav template for hangar pets? ::I personally would say that this OP version (added the shuttle subcategories) works quite well for the current needs.<br> :I also would vote for changing the navigations for the other factions in the same way too. not only to keep it in a more consitent look, but also because navigation is easier with it (once you got the system)<br> :Though: its pretty huge. Either in terms of page loading times, as well as concerning space used on the actual wiki pages. I mean the currently used one is already taking up half of the length of all ship pages. I dont know if we got something like this here, but some kind of '''spoiler''' would be cool :So Navs would be hidden by default, and you could show them (per faction would be best i think). Similar to the TOCs... :) --[[User:Iye007|Iye007]] ([[User talk:Iye007|talk]]) 23:11, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ::An Austrian discusses with a German ;-). So no Hangar Pets then. Ok. But as it is now, the new charts look wonferfull and I think they could work on the other factions too, if Cryptic releases more ships in the next years. Good work. [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 23:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC) :::On most wikis you can set a table to "collapsible" but evidently that does not work here... however, so long as it doesn't contain images, it doesn't take up a ton of space in terms of page-loading time. And, given the wrapping issues, I'd prefer it take up excess vertical space than be squished. I'll work on the table now [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 01:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC) :::Alright, all set. Did a bit more cleaning up, and cleaned up the code as well. The table is now 743 bytes smaller than before now as well :D [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 03:21, 22 March 2014 (UTC) ":" Wonderfull DanPMK. Thank you very much and thank you to everyone involved in editing this page. I have one more question, I may be wrong about it: FED-Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (Cheyenne..), doesn't this ship have the same stats (except the Boff seats) like the Heavy Cruiser Retrofit in the Fleet Ship Section? I think I remember the Mirror Version beeing in the same box like the Fleet and Retrofit version. [[User:Organichalcyon|Organichalcyon]] ([[User talk:Organichalcyon|talk]]) 22:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC) :Well. according to the Wiki the [[Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]] actually HAS the same stats :as the [[Heavy Cruiser Retrofit]] in terms weapons/hull/shield/interia. Not for Boffs and console slots :though (as u said). Stats for the mirror one match the dev blog, didn't check the for the Retrofit one :yet, but i guess its correct also. (neither did i check the fleet one, but i guess its correct :) ) :Still Mirror ships are Rear Admiral lower half ships and therefor are placed correctly. :) :--[[User:Iye007|Iye007]] ([[User talk:Iye007|talk]]) 13:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC) Why were the changes reverted again? Now the layout of the Fed Nav is different from all other navs. might be that the [http://sto.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Playable_ship_nav&oldid=183047 current version] looks less complicated, but it 'lost' some differentiation and actually the single table cells are more spammed then before. (DanPMKs version, developed above): [http://sto.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Playable_ship_nav&direction=prev&oldid=183047 here] --[[User:Iye007|Iye007]] ([[User talk:Iye007|talk]]) 12:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC) :A new user had unilaterally reversed it. Don't be afraid to make your own reverts in the future :D I fixed it. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 20:01, 9 May 2014 (UTC) == Collapse table == This table is a giant wall of text that fills up way too much page space. If it's intended to be a "quick-nav" jumplist at the bottom of individual pages, it really needs to be ''collapsed by default'' and have [show/hide] code tags added, so you can just click on a header to expand only the section wanted (see [[Template:Equipment Sets]] for a pre-existing example). I tried to sandbox-test copying that feature myself, but couldn't figure out which part of the table code forces table sections into collapsed view on page load. [[User:Tekn0mancer|Tekn0mancer]] ([[User talk:Tekn0mancer|talk]]) 15:08, 1 May 2016 (UTC) : Never mind, I figured it out. It was late and I couldn't focus on the code. [[User:Tekn0mancer|Tekn0mancer]] ([[User talk:Tekn0mancer|talk]]) 16:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC) == Looking for input on the cross-faction section == Hey guys, I had 3 ideas for how to handle the ever-growing cross-faction section so that they are properly sorted by ship type and mastery package: * [http://sto.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Playable_ship_nav&oldid=315933 First one] uses the current format for the T6 ships. Pros: I think it looks good, it's compact and the T6 section can slowly expand downward. Cons: in this version the T5 ships are segmented between old (free upgrade) in the table and new ones on the top, though the top section will keep growing and become unwieldy, while the bottom section will remain static. * [http://sto.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Playable_ship_nav&oldid=315936 Second one] uses the same format as the Fed, KDF and Rom sections, giving some more consistency. It's taller, and will continue to get taller, which is always a problem. * A third version I didn't do yet was the second one, but with the two T5 columns merged together, and icons indicating which get free upgrades like the Fed section. In that case, The T5 and T6 columns would both be two wide to properly fill the area. If you want me to make that version, I can. Any version will invariably get taller as they keep adding ships, of course. What do you think? If anyone watches this page, heh [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 21:20, 28 August 2016 (UTC) Anyone? :o [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 18:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC) Yeah, I was just thinking about the cruiser section and how messy it is now. I definitely like option #1, so I say go for it. The cruiser section is obviously going to get bigger and bigger. I'm all for your suggestions. P.S. Just make sure you make carriers just "Carriers". There's no such thing as an Engineering or Science Carrier. They're carriers, simple as that. Also make sure the T5 Science vessel column matches the rest. Otherwise I like it. :)[[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 19:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC) : I Agree with SFC3. Carriers should simply be Carriers without the engineering or science prefix. [[User:Jacobsodinforever2000|Jacobsodinforever2000]] ([[User talk:Jacobsodinforever2000|talk]]) 23:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC) ::The only reason I had the carriers separated is because they have [[Starship_Mastery#Carriers|separate Mastery packages]] and I figured that was the clearest way for us to differentiate between ship types. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 05:44, 1 March 2017 (UTC) ::: The T5 part looks funny when you unhide either of the other factions. Another thing that probably should be asked is if any information that currently is communicated through the template (i.e. zen icons) really needs to be there. I would even go that far and question if we really need to distinguish between free and non-free T5U in the nav-template. Isn't it enough if that is shown on the specific ship pages themselves? --[[User:Dukedom|Dukedom]] ([[User talk:Dukedom|talk]]) 09:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC) :::: I had forgotten to extend the column for the second version, that would be fixed before I push it love. As for the zen things, I very much want to keep that there since it's immediate at-a-glance information that doesn't really add any overhead to the template or take up unnecessary space. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 16:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC) ::::: I like the option 1 which helps with growing number of ships in Cruiser and Escort category. There are only few Carriers so I wouldn't split them into subcategories. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 23:51, 5 March 2017 (UTC) Alright, I finally finished this. Just realized I accidentally reverted part of SFC3's edit; what do y'all think about noting Engineering vs Science vs Dreadnought Carriers, but not keeping them in the separate boxes? I prefer mine since it gives a bit more info without wasting space. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 15:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC) ::I've talked about this before, but I've always viewed the playable ship nav as being completely consistent with ingame names - hence why I never like to use the non (T6) naming scheme. Adding the Sci and Eng carrier distentions seems inconsistent with the other factional carriers, plus the Tholian Recluse for example - not really a science carrier when the Cmdr seat is universal. [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 15:34, 21 July 2017 (UTC) :::I can definitely understand wanting to use the ingame names all the time, both for player search purposes and for SEO... Guess I am torn on the template philosophy. Removing the (T6) is something I also want to do, though that's not feasible due to the non-T6 having the same names for Fed ships for example, and consistency is important. Bah, I am undecided now. I'll let you guys decide :P [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 15:40, 21 July 2017 (UTC) == Suliban Silik Flight-Deck Assault Cruiser == Sooo... we've got a bit of a problem. The Suliban Silik Flight-Deck Assault Cruiser is unlike any RR-exclusive ship released before. It's not a warbird. What do you all think we should do? Create a new category for the ship, rejigger categories? [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 23:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC) :Well...I made up that page (please check for accuracy)..Yea..It should get its own slot..Cryptic may release more cruisers of this type. [[User:Jacobsodinforever2000|Jacobsodinforever2000]] ([[User talk:Jacobsodinforever2000|talk]]) 02:10, 14 September 2017 (UTC) :I think the way you did it is good. I try to minimize the space stuff takes up, but since there's more T6 ships than anything, it's kind of impossible to save much more vertical space. The only other thing I could think of would be renaming the Warbird Battlecruiser heading to "Engineering-focused vessels" and putting it there. But honestly, since it doesn't use a singularity core, it might be best to separate it regardless. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 04:02, 14 September 2017 (UTC) :: I think if we get more Flight-deck vessels, that other solution might work out. For now, I think this is acceptable. [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 05:16, 14 September 2017 (UTC) :::I don't think RR will get more t6 Flight-Deck Cruisers, they only have a few ships with warp-core and each is different ship type. New category for F-D cruiser is good to distinguish it from warbirds, and it doesn't take much space. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 13:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC) == rows, ordering == What's the requirement for notability for earning your own ship row type? Is it 3+ or 4+ ships, or a notable difference like non-singularity Rom ships? Just wondering when we'll want to move Fed Flight-Deck Cruisers and Kling Flight-Deck Raptors to their own row, but so far they only have 2 ships each. Also, thoughts on re-ordering the list so it's consistent for all factions? Fed (and crossfaction) goes Cruiser Escort Sci; Kling goes Raider Raptor Battlecruiser; Rom goes Warbird (escort type) then Warbird Battlecruiser; it might be nice to have every one going in the same order. [[User:Arkhain|Arkhain]] ([[User talk:Arkhain|talk]]) 00:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC) ::If you're referring to the ROM Flight-deck cruiser dilemma, that was made because putting it with the rest of the warbirds made no sense and it had to go somewhere. Faction specific non-singularity core ship. As far as KDF/FED flight deck vessels if we get more (3/4+) yes then we should consider splitting it up. ::The Warbirds are a tricky spot since they really only are consistent with themselves. After all most of their specific ships if not all use cannons. Not sure what to do in that regard. For now, I think it's best as is. [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 04:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC) == Dysons, science vessel or destroyer? == Fed Dysons are categorized as Destroyers, KDF and Rom Dysons are categorized as Science Vessels. Can we get that unified? Since they start as science vessels, I think that's a better home for them. [[User:Arkhain|Arkhain]] ([[User talk:Arkhain|talk]]) 21:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC) ::i think we should probably just more the rest to Destroyers, KDF has a destroyer option and we can make one for ROMs. since there are 4 ships that's justifiable. [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 21:44, 23 November 2017 (UTC) == Romulans flying Fed/KDF ships == Now that [https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1240046/tribble-maintenance-and-release-notes-5-9-18 this] has been revealed, we need to find a good way to distinguish the ships that Romulans ''won't'' be able to fly. I have two suggestions: # Put a <nowiki>{{fedonly}}</nowiki> next to ships they can't fly, eg. [[Mobius Temporal Destroyer]] {{fedonly}} ✓ # Make a separate box between the KDF and Romulan boxes that will list the ships that only they can fly, something along these lines for example: {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" ! colspan="5" style="background: #660 !important" | [[File:Faction Federation.png|16px|link=United Federation of Planets]] Federation &[[File:Faction Klingon.png|16px|link=Klingon Empire]] Klingon Empire-exclusive starships <span id="showHide-navrowfedkdf" class="showHideByClass hideOnLoad"></span> |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #440" colspan="5" | These ships cannot be flown by Romulan Republic captains. |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #660" width="7%" | [[Faction]] ! colspan="2" style="background: #069" width="46%" | [[Federation]] ! colspan="2" style="background: #600" width="47%" | [[Klingon Empire]] |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #660" width="7%" | [[Rank]] ! style="background: #069" width="23%" | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png|link=Rear Admiral|]]<br>[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>Tier 5 - Levels 40 & 50 (Fleet) ! style="background: #069" width="23%" | [[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>Tier 6 - Level 50 ! style="background: #600" width="23%" | [[Image:Rank_Klingon_Gen1.png|link=Brigadier General|]]<br>[[Image:Rank_Klingon_Gen3.png|link=Lieutenant General|]]<br>Tier 5 - Levels 40 & 50 (Fleet) ! style="background: #600" width="24%" | [[Image:Rank Klingon Gen3.png|link=Lieutenant General|]]<br>Tier 6 - Level 50 |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #660" | [[Cruiser]]s & [[Battle Cruiser]]s | | • [[Command Assault Cruiser|Command Assault Cruiser (T6)]]<br> - [[Fleet Command Assault Cruiser|Fleet Command Assault Cruiser (T6)]]<br>• [[Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser|Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser (T6)]] {{LB}}<br>• [[Temporal Light Cruiser|Temporal Light Cruiser (T6)]] {{PRDP}} | | • [[D7 Temporal Battlecruiser|D7 Temporal Battlecruiser (T6)]] {{PRDP}} |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #550" | [[Destroyer]]s | • [[Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br> - [[Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br>• [[Mobius Temporal Destroyer]] | • [[Manticore Heavy Destroyer|Heavy Destroyer (T6)]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br> - [[Fleet Manticore Heavy Destroyer|Fleet Heavy Destroyer (T6)]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br> • [[Klein Temporal Destroyer|Klein Temporal Destroyer (T6)]] {{LC}} | • [[Peghqu' Heavy Destroyer]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br> - [[Fleet Peghqu' Heavy Destroyer]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br>• [[Krenn Temporal Destroyer]] | • [[Duvqu' Heavy Destroyer|Duvqu' Heavy Destroyer (T6)]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br> - [[Fleet Duvqu' Heavy Destroyer|Fleet Duvqu' Heavy Destroyer (T6)]] {{accoladeIcon|Starfleet_Veteran|16px}}<br> • [[Chargh'poH Temporal Destroyer|Chargh'poH Temporal Destroyer (T6)]] {{LC}} |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #660" | [[Dreadnought]]s | | • [[Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser|Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser (T6)]] {{LB}}<br> • [[Universe Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Cruiser|Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Cruiser (T6)]] {{PRDP}}<br>• [[Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser|Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser (T6)]] {{LC}} | | • [[D9 Dreadnought Battlecruiser|D9 Dreadnought Battlecruiser (T6)]] {{LB}}<br /> • [[Durgath Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Battlecruiser|Durgath Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Battlecruiser (T6)]] {{PRDP}} |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #550" | [[Escort]]s | | • [[NX Escort Refit|NX Escort Refit (T6)]] {{LC}} | | |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #660" | [[Raider]]s | | | | • [[Kelvin Timeline D4x Pilot Bird-of-Prey|Kelvin Timeline D4x Pilot Bird-of-Prey (T6)]] {{LB}} |- class="navrowfedkdf" ! style="background: #550" | [[Science Vessel]]s | • [[Wells Temporal Science Vessel]] | • [[Verne Temporal Science Vessel|Verne Temporal Science Vessel (T6)]] {{LB}} | • [[Korath Temporal Science Vessel]] | • [[Qul'poH Temporal Science Vessel|Qul'poH Temporal Science Vessel (T6)]] {{LB}} |} Unless y'all have another idea. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 09:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC) : I don't have another idea, we can do it like that. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 00:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC) :: I prefer the idea of denoting unusable ships with icons myself. Let's see how this feature goes live first however. [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 00:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC) ::: Can anyone confirm that Fed-Romulans can't fly [[Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser]]? It is on the list of excluded ships on that dev-blog, but I'm not completely sure that is the case. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 23:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC) :::: What makes you say that? The Kelvin dreadnought equipment bundle is still available, so it must be. [[User:SFC|SFC]] ([[User talk:SFC|talk]]) 00:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC) :::::Fleet mate mentioned it, but I don't have a fed rom to test it on tribble. Probably not true, but just wanted to check if anyone tried opening the box on romulan. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 00:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC) == Dominion section == Since there's debate on whether these ships should be in their own section, I decided to go ahead and make a mock-up. It's only for 6 ships, and I'm operating on the assumption that all future Jem'Hadar ships added will be T6, but, here I go: {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" |+ Suggestion A ! style="background: #609" colspan="5" | [[File:Faction Dominion.png|16px|link=Dominion]] Dominion: [[Dominion playable starship|(Complete & Detailed List)]] <span id="showHide-navrowdom" class="showHideByClass hideOnLoad"></span> |- class="navrowdom" ! style="background: #609" rowspan="4" width="7%" | ! style="background: #609" | [[Small Craft]] | • [[Jem'Hadar Fighter]] ! style="background: #609" | [[Tutorial Starship]] (T5-U) | • [[Jem'Hadar Escort]] |- class="navrowdom" ! style="background: #606" colspan="4" | Endgame ships - Tier 6 - Level 50<br>[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>✓ means this ship can be unlocked for other factions upon reaching [[Starship Mastery]] Level V. |- class="navrowdom" ! style="background: #609" | [[Carrier]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier]] ✓ ! style="background: #609" | [[Dreadnought]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser]] ✓ |- class="navrowdom" ! style="background: #609" | [[Destroyer]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship]] ✓ ! style="background: #609" | [[Raider]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Raider]] ✓ |} The empty left column will continue to line up with the columns in the other sections. It didn't turn out the way I thought it would, but I didn't want loads of empty space.... what do y'all think? [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 02:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC) :Looks good, we could adjust it along the way as they add more ships. We could get rid of that empty column on the left, but it isn't too big at the moment. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 21:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC) ::I like it! I know I discussed the idea of putting the existing Jem'hadar ships in, is that still on the table? [[User:SFC|SFC]] ([[User talk:SFC|talk]]) 23:42, 21 May 2018 (UTC) :::I'm undecided. I think that'd be fine so long as they're also in the cross-faction table... want to make it understandable at a glance. Can just put the "{{crossfaction}}" symbol next to them and another note, if we can find a good way to fit more T5s anyway. I went ahead and made two mockups below... Suggestion B has just the T6 ships with the T5 ships in a little row at the top. Suggestion C is familiar, but I feel the Tier 5 side will just look more and more empty over times, so I'm torn. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 04:33, 22 May 2018 (UTC) {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" |+ Suggestion B - T5 in one row ! style="background: #609" colspan="5" | [[File:Faction Dominion.png|16px|link=Dominion]] Dominion: [[Dominion playable starship|(Complete & Detailed List)]] <span id="showHide-navrowdomB" class="showHideByClass hideOnLoad"></span> |- class="navrowdomB" ! style="background: #609" rowspan="6" width="7%" | ! style="background: #609" | [[Small Craft]] | • [[Jem'Hadar Fighter]] ! style="background: #609" | [[Tutorial Starship]] (T5-U) | • [[Jem'Hadar Escort]] |- class="navrowdomB" ! style="background: #609" | Tier 5 {{crossfaction}} | colspan="3" | • [[Jem'Hadar Attack Ship]] • [[Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier]] • [[Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier]] |- class="navrowdomB" ! style="background: #606" colspan="4" | Endgame ships - Tier 6 - Level 50<br>[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=Vice Admiral|]]<br>{{crossfaction}} means this ship can be used by any faction immediately.<br>✓ means this ship can be unlocked for other factions upon reaching [[Starship Mastery]] Level V. |- class="navrowdomB" ! style="background: #609" | [[Carrier]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (T6)]] {{crossfaction}}<br>• [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier]] ✓ ! style="background: #609" | [[Dreadnought]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser]] ✓ |- class="navrowdomB" ! style="background: #609" | [[Escort]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Recon Ship|Jem'Hadar Recon Ship (T6)]] {{crossfaction}}<br>• [[Jem'Hadar Strike Ship|Jem'Hadar Strike Ship (T6)]] {{crossfaction}} ! style="background: #609" | [[Carrier#Other Carriers, Escorts Carriers and Dreadnoughts|Escort Carriers]] | • [[Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier (T6)]] {{crossfaction}} |- class="navrowdomB" ! style="background: #609" | [[Destroyer]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship]] ✓ ! style="background: #609" | [[Raider]]s | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Raider]] ✓ |} {| class="wikitable componenttable" style="font-size: 80%; line-height:1.25;" |+ Suggestion C - traditional columns ! style="background: #609" colspan="5" | [[File:Faction Dominion.png|16px|link=Dominion]] Dominion: [[Dominion playable starship|(Complete & Detailed List)]] <span id="showHide-navrowdomC" class="showHideByClass hideOnLoad"></span> |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Small Craft]] | colspan="4" | • [[Jem'Hadar Fighter]] |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #606" colspan="5" | Endgame ships<br>{{crossfaction}} means this ship can be used by any faction immediately.<br>✓ means this ship can be unlocked for other factions upon reaching [[Starship Mastery]] Level V. |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" width="7%" | Ship Type ! style="background: #609 !important;" width="46%" colspan="2" | Tier 5<br>[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_LAdm.png|link=|]]<br>''Level 40, with free upgrade to Tier 5-U at level 50.'' ! style="background: #609 !important;" width="47%" colspan="2" | Tier 6<br>[[Image:Rank_Starfleet_VAdm.png|link=|]]<br>''Level 50(presumably).'' |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Carrier]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier]] {{crossfaction}} | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (T6)]] {{crossfaction}}<br>• [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier]] ✓ |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Dreadnought]]s | colspan="2" | | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser]] ✓ |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Escort]]s | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Attack Ship]] {{crossfaction}}<br>• [[Jem'Hadar Escort]] | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Recon Ship|Jem'Hadar Recon Ship (T6)]] {{crossfaction}}<br>• [[Jem'Hadar Strike Ship|Jem'Hadar Strike Ship (T6)]] {{crossfaction}} |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Carrier#Other Carriers, Escorts Carriers and Dreadnoughts|Escort Carriers]] | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier]] {{crossfaction}} | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier (T6)]] {{crossfaction}} |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Destroyer]]s | colspan="2" | | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship]] ✓ |- class="navrowdomC" ! style="background: #609" | [[Raider]]s | colspan="2" | | colspan="2" | • [[Jem'Hadar Vanguard Raider]] ✓ |} == Cruiser variants section suggestion == Due to: * the large size of the "Cruisers" and "Battle Cruisers" subsections in the Fed and KDF sections, respectively * the Fed section having a small "Dreadnought Cruisers" subsection, and Flight-Deck Cruisers in their "Cruisers" subsection * the KDF section having a small "Flight-Deck Cruisers" subsection, and Dreadnought Cruisers in their "Cruisers" subsection * the ambiguity of where to put the Command Battlecruisers I propose that we make a combined "Dreadnought Cruisers & Flight-Deck Cruisers" subsection in the Fed and KDF sections that will house all Dreadnought Cruisers and Flight-Deck Cruisers, as well as the Command Battlecruisers. I've made the edit [https://sto.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=STOWiki:Sandbox&oldid=400358 here in a sandbox] if you'd like to see. Any objections/comments? [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 04:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC) : No objection, I'm ok with that change. --[[User:Damixon|Damixon]] ([[User talk:Damixon|talk]]) 21:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC) :: Alright cool, asked some others (on Discord) and they were cool with it so I'll make the edit. [[User:DanPMK|DanPMK]] ([[User talk:DanPMK|talk]]) 16:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC) == T6 list getting super long == As the number of T6 ships increases, this template looks like it needs to be redesigned. I haven't quite got a solid idea which is why I'm taking it here. Problems: *There are way more T6 ships than T5, the template is getting very lopsided and cramming the T6 ships into way too small of a space. *With so many T6 ships, the original categories (battlecruisers, escorts etc.) don't seem as precise enough anymore. *Even with collapsable-by-faction sections, when you expand it seems way too big. Possible solutions: *Split T5 and T6 into two separate areas. *Break down T6 further by a parallel category. I.e. y-axis is type (carrier, battlecruiser) and x-axis is primary specialisation (intelligence, miracle worker, pilot). *Have separate collapsable sections for Low and high tier. So ''Fed Tier 1-5 and shuttles'' is one collapsable section and ''Fed Tier 6'' is another. [[User:Scientifictheory|Scientifictheory]] ([[User talk:Scientifictheory|talk]]) 08:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC) :I agree with solution #1, and I'll work on separating T5 and T6 here and there. My solution would probably involve splitting Tier 5 and Tier 6, which Tier 6 being two categories (c-store and perhaps fleet/promo/lockbox? we'll see) as to not make the table look too strange. I'll let you know when I have something. [[User:SFC|SFC]] ([[User talk:SFC|talk]]) 14:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC) ::Fleet is one safe division (it would be good for T5 also; i.e. T5-40, T5-50, T5-Fleet). Not sure about dividing by store, that is still quite lopsided and they've started moving ships between them. I suppose it could just be the existing division but run over two columns?[[User:Scientifictheory|Scientifictheory]] ([[User talk:Scientifictheory|talk]]) 15:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC) :I would likely just separate T5 and T6 as it exists in the C-store right now. plus add showhide to the sub-tables. you're likely right about dividing by store, T6 and T6F should be fine to preserve the two columns. [[User:SFC|SFC]] ([[User talk:SFC|talk]]) 15:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC) == Nausicaan ships listed at wrong rank == Without checking the entire list, I noticed that the Nausicaan Scourge is described on its page as tier 4 but listed as tier 3 on the playable ship table, and the Nausicaan Vandal, is listed as tier 3 on its own page, but tier 4 on the table. The page is locked for editing, so I am unable to switch them around.[[Special:Contributions/90.209.49.55|90.209.49.55]] 15:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC) :Thanks for noticing, fixed! - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 18:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC) == Galaxy Legendary Dreadnought Cruiser == [[Galaxy Legendary Dreadnought Cruiser]] is missing from this nav. [[Special:Contributions/176.127.193.241|176.127.193.241]] 10:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC) ::Added! [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 20:07, 3 December 2020 (UTC) == Deferring uncollapsed-preview edit == [[Template talk:Canon#Uncollapsing on Template page (and other non-article pages)|As intimated a while ago]], I've started (well, finally resumed in earnest) working through many of the default-collapsed templates — mostly navboxes — on the wiki, applying [[Template:Main other]] to limit their default-collapsed state to the article space. The intent is that, when the template is previewed in a '''non'''-article context (like its own page in the Template namespace), it will be shown fully expanded for easier examination and evaluation. However, I'm deferring that change for the moment when it comes to ''this'' template, because it's just '''so''' incredibly long when fully expanded. I suspect there may be a template-length event horizon that, once crossed, may cause the benefits of the fully-expanded view to be outweighed by negative aspects. And if there are '''any''' templates here that live on the far side of that event horizon, this one is a prime candidate. That change ''can'' still be made here. There's certainly no technical issue preventing it from working just as well on this template as any other. (The template is '''always''' the same length, even when most of it is normally hidden. Collapsing vs. uncollapsing actually changes very little, in terms of rendering complexity or the like.) Nevertheless, I'll hold off for now on making that change, just to let people have some time so they can kick the tires on the navboxes I '''have''' changed, like [[Template:Equipment nav]] or [[Template:Ability nav]]. I'll circle back to this one later on, once opinions have had time to be formed and expressed. (About both the changes I ''have'' already made, and about whether it makes sense to update templates like '''this''' template the same way.) [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 08:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC) :Hey there, welcome back to the wiki! Stellar work so far. Honestly, this change brings to light some well needed changes to table presentation. Over the years I've sort of just bandaged this nav as more and more ships have released and sorting and categorizing them becomes necessary. Do you by chance have Discord? There's a link to the wiki discord under "Communications" on the top navbar, as well as on the Main Page, under "Wiki Discord". I'd love to chat more with you about possible changes that could be made to this template there. [[User:SFC3|SFC3]] ([[User talk:SFC3|talk]]) 09:23, 6 January 2023 (UTC) :: @{{u|SFC3}} You know, I've never actually used Discord. The only thing I really know about it is that I'm constantly confusing it with Dis''course''. I'm not philosophically '''opposed''' to ever using it, or anything, it's just never really come up for me before today. :: But, though I may be open to changing that, today definitely isn't my day to embark on new adventures, I'm afraid. That'll have to wait for another day when there's less already on my plate. Sorry about that! [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 18:47, 6 January 2023 (UTC) So, I need to walk one previous statement back a little:<br><blockquote>Collapsing vs. uncollapsing actually changes very little, in terms of rendering complexity or the like.</blockquote> That's true for ''most'' templates, including this one, but it is notably '''NOT''' true for certain ''image-heavy'' templates (like, for example, [[Template:Ship weapon nav]]), due to the wiki's lazy image loading. Because all of the embedded images in that template's collapsed sections will ''wait'' until the section is expanded before they actually load in, there's actually a vast '''chasm''' of difference in the performance/workload required to render the fully-expanded template (and every image it contains), vs. rendering the fully-collapsed version (and zero of the images, initially). In fact, templates with that design are never ''meant'' to be rendered fully-expanded '''all at once'''. The entire design relies on the fact that sections get expanded one at a time, each one triggering the load-in of only its local subset of images. As a result, I'm going to just leave that class of navigation templates alone. Making them automatically render fully-expanded, ever, under ''any'' circumstances, would create a massive, unnecessary drag on the template's performance. Here's the full list of templates that applies to: * [[Template:Ground device nav]] * [[Template:Ground weapon nav]] * [[Template:Ship device nav]] * [[Template:Ship weapon nav]] Other than those four, and this template, I've now finished updating every default-collapsed template in [[:Category:Navigation templates]] to use {{T|Main other}}, and their initial auto-collapsing behavior will now be limited to only the main article space. [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 18:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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