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== Allowing UGC missions == Hi, recently I was contacted by Kirkfat from starbaseugc.com. They consider shutting down their UGC wiki and asked us to allow Foundry authors to add their missions to our wiki. Considering past decisions we made on canon/non-canon issues I do not think this is likely of getting many thumbs up, but I wanted to open the matter to discussion anyway. Please let me know, how you feel about UGC authors adding their stuff to STOWiki (of course with disclaimers, special categories, and such). I'll give this vote a week and then report back to Kirkfat, so the SBUGC-folks can decide if they still want to shut down their wiki. Regards, --[[User:RachelGarrett|RachelGarrett]] 22:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC) :Hi everyone, :I just wanted to explain the proposal from our point of view. Our site has become a hub for Foundry authors who learn the toolset, collaborate, and advertise their missions on the main blog. Our site has not really developed into a place where the general player-base can browse missions. :It would be really beneficial for the Foundry community if the users of this site could also browse UGC content. These missions would get more exposure among the general player-base, rather than just among Foundry authors at our site. I think it would also benefit the players. Although Foundry missions are certainly not for everyone, I would strongly agree with Jeremy of Stoked. A big part of STO is now the Foundry, especially during long periods of content droughts. There is a significant portion of the general player-base who plays Foundry, rather than rolling another character and replaying the same game content. :So, I only ask that you consider allowing a place for the "other half" of game content. Thanks for the consideration. Thanks for all that this website does for the broader STO community. --[[User:Kirkfat|Kirkfat]] 00:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC) ::With the already stated provision of special categories and disclaimers, I have no issues with this. Therefore, you may consider this a vote for. <font color="#999999">—</font> [[User:Eyes|<small>'''Eyes'''</small>]] [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 10:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC) :::I Vote Yes, but it needs to be done correctly. Firstly, English Only. Second, there needs to be a primary directory page and Foundry missions should only be linked from this one page and NOT from any other legit articles. Lastly, each foundry mission page should be clearly marked on top with some banner. -- [[User:BrooklynKnight|BrooklynKnight]] 11:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC) ::::I really like STOwiki and how the information on it is accurate and a good source of reference for me when I want to look up STO information. I agree that the Foundry missions should be listed under a special category and not be linked to FROM canon information pages. But I hope that we will be able to link from a foundry mission page TO regular STOwiki pages. E.g. if your mission takes place in Regulus Sector Block we can direct people to the Regulus page so they know where to go; or if the mission has Orions in it we can direct people to go read up on Orions. -- [[User:Galactrix|Galactrix]] 19:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC) :::::I can't think of any reason whatsoever why a link ''from'' UGC to our more conventional content would be considered a problem by anyone. I sincerely doubt there will be any objection, or even thought of objection, to that. <font color="#999999">—</font> [[User:Eyes|<small>'''Eyes'''</small>]] [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 19:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC) : My two cents: Imho, linking to conventional content is okay but I suggest "quarantining" Foundry-material into their own category, e.g. not having the Category:Vulcans cluttered with non-Cryptic made Foundry-NPCs. Furthermore, if/when we allow Foundry mission articles these will include Non-English-missions. In short: Include e.g. German missions, but have the STOWiki articles on them written in English (or bilingual). I do not know excatly what [[User:BrooklynKnight|BrooklynKnight]] meant by "English only" - but I disagree with his/her opinion if that meant to exclude the German/French/etc. community members. -- [[User:Markonian|Markonian]] 22:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC) : ''If'' we include foundry missions, I agree with everything Markonian said - especially about non-English missions. I would even say that characters, ships and locations should probably only be described in their mission's article. No seperate ones. : However, just a thought: If there is actually a demand for foundry mission wiki articles, why not create something similar to Memory Beta? A seperate wiki that cooperates with STOWiki. Especially, since there seems to be the notion that foundry stuff should be secluded from the main content, anyway. : This would also free "our" staff from having to deal with all the issues foundry articles might bring with them (moving sites, content in violation of whatever, wrong categories,...). They seem a bit short on time as it is now. -- [[User:Backyardserenade|Backyardserenade]] 22:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC) ::I know that Dave, our wiki admin, would be very willing to help in any way that he can. In general, I'm pretty sure that if stowiki admins gave the foundry community clear guidelines and a place to edit, then the foundry community would do most of the work. There would be incentives for them, since having pages for their missions that the general player-base can browse on THE wiki of the game is great exposure. We would do most of the work for you guys, if we had guidelines and a section of the site to work in. -- --[[User:Kirkfat|Kirkfat]] 00:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC) : I think that the Foundry is an additional support to all the official cryptic missions. They may not be 'official' or 'canon' in terms of the STO story but they are still a big part of the content in the game. In my opinion STOWiki just on this principle should have dedicated areas where foundry missions and general foundry-related information (Such as a space to report the current issues that were caused by Season 4) should be included. Though I have a question regarding linking. There are a number of missions which form together to create arcs. What would the policy be on these arcs and what if a mission doesn't create an arc but does have some story links between missions? Would cross linking these missions be acceptable? : [[User:Bazag|Bazag]] 23:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC) : My only Foundry mission, a three to four hour long behemoth known as "The Second to Last Outpost", has been referred to as a "touchstone" mission, as it links back into established Trek canon in various ways. I wouldn't mind someone looking up the Tkon Empire and being able to link back to my mission wiki, for example. All of my future missions will continue to tie into Trek canon as a backdrop, to help our universe "live" just a bit more. As an author, I promise to adhere to the guidelines that this wonderful community sets forth, should it be decided to let this idea blossom. Thank you for your time and consideration. --[[User:OldLordSkull|OldLordSkull]] 02:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC) ::I would like to briefly add to this. Not to sound immodest, but I feel that my mission, "The Return to Terra Nova," is a very canon-rich mission that shows the full potential of what Cryptic's diplomacy missions could be like. I have added much to the STO universe. If there is space here for patrols generated almost randomly and half-heartedly by the genesis system, then many of these ugc projects warrant far more consideration, because they deeply contribute to the Star Trek Online universe in ways that far exceed the official Cryptic content. RG's mission is also a great example of this. Playing his mission and other ugc missions are some of the most memorable aspects of being a player in Star Trek Online. ::Let's enrich this universe together. --[[User:Kirkfat|Kirkfat]] 03:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC) : Whoah. That discussion went pretty rapidly. Alright then, since we have a clear indication that we want to support UGC missions in some way, I will try to whip up a new policy regarding UGC-stuff. Please leave any suggestions on this [[Project_talk:User_generated_content|talk page]]. Regards, --[[User:RachelGarrett|RachelGarrett]] 08:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC) ::Wow. Thanks. That is exciting. :::As Kirkfat has said, I will help in anyway you guys deem fit. Although, you'll have to bear with me for a bit, as I get used to your wiki, and how you do things here. [[User:Davejl 99|@davejl_99]] 20:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC) : Hum hom, touchy subject. If I had the mad skills like [[User:Eyes|Eyes]] I would probably use [[User_talk:Eyes/Proposals#Semantic_MediaWiki|that semantic mediawiki thing]] to autogenerate a list of UGC missions. Maybe limit that list to only show missions whose pages have been 'updated' in the last four weeks or have been flagged as 'superior missionwriting' by an admin. --[[User:Dukedom|Dukedom]] 09:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC) ::One of these days, we can hope the authors of DynamicPageList and Semantic MediaWiki get together and either combine their work, or failing that, that the authors of DPL can give it the ability to query properties. Because unless I missed an major update, I can't use anything other than user-defined properties and categories to query pages with SMW. DPL lets me query by age and time of last edit, and that would be fine if we don't need to pull anything from the infobox. <font color="#999999">—</font> [[User:Eyes|<small>'''Eyes'''</small>]] [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 11:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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